Simón Bolívar and José Sebastián de Goyeneche were two personalities who devised and defended State models from an enlightened thought and a catholic thought, respectively. Notions such as nation, religion and liberty, shaped ideals and fidelities, authority and obedience, social, political and ecclesiastical orders. This paper tries to approach the constitutional Republic in the bolivarian ideology and the catholic Republic in the doctrine of the bishop from Arequipa reflected in their speeches and epistolary amid a tense public space for subordinating and defending the obligations and rights of the Church and religion before the statehood and the secularization process.